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Screening for Down's syndrome

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A new report states that for every three Down’s syndrome babies prevented from being born, two healthy babies will be miscarried because of the methods used to detect the condition.

 

In the report, in Down Syndrome Research and Practice, the authors call for an overhaul of the current screening policy and estimate that in detecting and preventing the birth of 600 Down’s babies, 400 healthy fetuses are lost.

 

They add that about 5% to 10% of women receive a high-risk result because the initial screening threshold is set wide.  They are then encouraged to undergo the more invasive high-risk procedures, amniocentesis and chorionic villus sampling.

 

Do you agree with the authors that the government needs a rethink on its policy of offering genetic screening to all pregnant women?  Are too many women placed in the ‘high risk’ category and encouraged to undergo more invasive tests?

 

Do you think its ethical to screen for genetic indicators of mental ability and, if so, what level justifies termination of pregnancy? Or do you think such ethical quandaries are a private matter and should not impinge on a midwife’s professional life? Post your comments now.

 

A copy of the report Wrongful deaths and rightful lives – Screening for Down’s syndrome is available at: www.down-syndrome.org/editorials/2087/

 

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Topic created By - Rhea Johnson (24 September 2008 - 09:24:42) Do you agree with the authors that the government needs a rethink on its policy of offering genetic screening to all pregnant women? Are too many women placed in the ‘high risk’ category and encouraged to undergo more invasive tests? Do you think its ethical to screen for genetic indicators of mental ability and, if so, what level justifies termination of pregnancy? Or do you think such ethical quandaries are a private matter and should not impinge on a midwife’s professional life? Post your comments now.

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Submitted By - Guest 26/09/2008 10:31:49 I was given a 1/33 risk at 13 weeks and I think I would rather not have had this information at all.  My husband and I agreed that we did not want to bring up a Down's Syndrome child and in the end I made the decision down to the numbers - I told myself that I had a 1/33 chance of downs and a 1/100-200 chance of miscarriage so I had CVS.  All well but what a horrible and anxious time.  And most importantly for me (I'm not saying it would be like this for everyone - not my husband for one!) I have a feeling that if I had had a Downs Syndrome child I would have loved her (or him) as much as the children I do have and would have brought her up in happiness and that she would have enriched our lives.  So I suppose it boils down to being a very personal choice - it would be sad for a child like this to be born to someone who really didn't want or feel able to cope.  As a midwife (I'm only on the access course at present!) I would like to be able to discuss the issues with the parents if they wanted to and help them to reach the right decision for them.
Submitted By - Guest 26/09/2008 11:12:40

This is a highly emotive subject that is might well benefit from further debate.  However, from a midwife's perspective, I feel I would not be serving the needs of the women I support if I allowed my own ethical beliefs and values to impinge on my professional life.


I attend a gym and enjoy the company of a young woman with Down's Syndrome, she is a delight, far more so than some of us grumpy women who go to the gym out of duty.  However, in my work as a midwife I have also seen parents truly heartbroken by their choices.  I suspect their grief will never leave them and it is not for me for me to do anything other than give my compassion and support.  Ethical quandaries are for quiet and personal reflection but to bring them to the fore in a professional sense is to let down the women we purport to serve.

 

Moira

Submitted By - Guest 26/09/2008 15:51:55 The fact that we offer screening implies that the professionals believe the choice should be not to continue the pregnancy. It implies that the professionals think it's ok to terminate a pregnancy because of Down's syndrome. The fact that for every 3 down's terminated there will be 2 "healthy"  babies lost is shocking. I think it's time we stood back and asked what are we doing.
Submitted By - Guest 29/09/2008 12:35:03

As of the 1st November 2008 the cut-offs are being changed in England to 1:200 for second trimester screening & 1:150 for first trimester. This will bring down the number of invasive procedures performed.


Anyone wanting further info should visist the NSC website, and/or speak to their local screening co-ordinators.

Submitted By - Guest 30/09/2008 17:02:33

It will be interesting to see how the new cut-off changes effect the detection rates in the future; the new cut-offs are more in line with the risk from the more invasive procedures at least.


Enid 

Submitted By - Guest 26/11/2008 10:40:41

I often wonder do we give families enough information to make an informed choice? I have observed colleagues (who are pro-testing) counsel families & most families opt to test. I have observed colleagues (who have no testing preferences) counsel families either decline testing or  worryingly still accept the triple test, mostly accepting I feel out of a willingness to comply.


Having been on the receiving end personally of a high risk triple test result, I I encourage families to think very carefully about what a DS child would mean to them. I neither encourage or discourage testing, rather I ask them to consider what they would do about a high risk result. Would they undergo invasive testing?


I also ask them to consider that even if in receipt of a high risk triple test result, or definite diagnosis via CVS/amnio - that they still are not required to act on results.


Equally I point out that even if their personal risk returns at, for arguements sake, 1:4200 that they may still be that 1.


It is a difficult one. I notice BBC news has an interesting page this week that 'depite testing more DS babies are born now than before testing was widely available'. This supports  that as a society we are still surprised by others decisions to accept a special needs child into our families. Thankfully a comments page gave wide & varied views from readers who had first had experience of either continuing with their pregnancy & raising a DS child, chosing to terminate their pregnancy & the sadness it brought, or the loss of an otherwise healthy pregnancy as a result of invasive procedures.


We are in a different place to where we were when testing first came about. Women are starting their families later, their lifestyles are vastly changed, indeed society itself is slowly questioning, debating & changing it's viewpoints. Regardless of alterations screening parameters these outside factors will also have their impact.

Submitted By - Guest 26/12/2008 15:38:07 At 29yrs old and with no family history of downs, I was given 1 in 20 with the bloods screening. Yes it turned out to be a false positive, and yes I had an amnio. I think it is about time this whole system of screening is overhauled and looked at, as no one should have to go through what me and my family did.
Submitted By - Guest 01/02/2009 22:24:18

It does seem to me that there is implied 'sucess' in the system when someone accepts screening, and 'failure' when someone declines.  My own rates of women declining screening is under the spotlight in my workplace, with 'too many' declining, as if I'm not being persuasive enough.  I work with teenagers, and spend a long time in a booking explaining what a screening result means, and presenting scenarios for all different possible outcomes to help them make up their minds.   A not uncommon response is 'so you're saying that if I have a 1 in 250 chance of having a baby with Down's, they do a test with a 1 in 200 chance of having a miscarriage?'  I have come to the conclusion with teenagers that after they have faced the massive hurdle of telling their parents and deciding not to have a termination, they are actually less likely to make a decision which risks losing the baby than for older women.  Thoughts?

Submitted By - Guest 04/02/2009 09:42:42

The screening programme offers choice from the start . Many women and their partners do not think ahead to the consequences. There will always be screen positive results for some women even when their fetus is not affected that is the nature of screening. Anxiety exists waiting to hear if the screening test puts someone at increased risk or not. More anxiety exists if you are given an increased risk result and there is a decision of opting for prenatal diagnosis or not.


If you opt to have prenatal diagnosis there will be anxiety waiting for the result to find out if your fetus has a normal karyotype or not.


What are the alternatives? Should we go back to the old days when in an area of almost 2000 births we saw between 5 and 7 babies born with downs syndrome to women under the age of 35 because they were not offered antenatal screening or prenatal diagnosis.


The amniocentesis rate for women over 35 was approximately 120 - 140 where as now it is approximately 50 for the pregnant population as a whole.


Overall the screening programme has been successful and hopefully will continue to improve. We as professionals must always remember to give unbiased up to date information so that pregnant women can make their own choices if they did not find those choices difficult they would not be human.


Screening has reduced both invasive procedures and miscarriage.

Women have the choice of entering the screening programme or not.
Submitted By - Guest 04/02/2009 10:03:37

Overall the screening programme has been successful. All pregnant women are now offered screening where previously it was only available for women who could pay privately.


In a health trust that has approximately 2000 births a year we had approximately 5 cases of downs syndrome born each year to women under 35. We performed between 120 - 140 invasive procedures each year for women over 35. This has now reduced to approximately 50 each year for our pregnant population as a whole because women know if their risks are increased of not.

 

Women should understand that the Screening programme is their choice and for some women it may be stressful and not an option that they choose. The biggest challenge for the health professional is to give unbiased  and correct information in order to enable those women to make their own free choice.


The Screening programme has continued to improve and will continue to do so the challenge for midwives and Obstetricians is to keep up to date with changes and to give unbiased correct information to women in plain English to enable them to make an informed choice.


Submitted By - Guest 06/02/2009 19:29:57

Women and their partners should not feel that they have to or are obliged to have screening of any kind. I suggest to women who I am booking that they could think about how they feel about caring for a Downs Child and discuss this issue with partners, before making a decision to screen. Woman should obviously be informed that the initial scan/ combined screening is not diagnostic and it is offered to give them choice. I do not believe that choice should be removed, but it is the way the women are informed that is not always adequate. Some women are not properly counselled before going ahead with Downs screening and this needs to be improved.


Pregnant woman need to make their own decisions, but based on impartial clear advise and information.


I give them different points of view, i.e. to have no Downs screening with the view that the parents wish to accept the child what ever the outcome. I discuss how many Downs children live in my discussion at booking choice of screening, I firstly make sure they are aware that it is first an option to opt out of screening and I always endeavour to explain.

Submitted By - Guest 21/02/2009 16:35:31

As midwives we should be unbiased in our discussion of all screening tests. It is the parents decision as to whether they want to have the test done, but they should have a full explanation in a way that they can understand


I do have concerns about the leaflet which is only avalable in English and also some clients literacy skills are poor.

Submitted By - Guest 08/04/2009 12:39:44 In Northern Ireland all abortion for foetal abnormality is still a serious criminal offense carrying life imprisonment for the doctor and the woman, and so it should be.

I cannot believe people calmly discuss the killing of Downs Syndrome people as if its just a choice.

No wonder the health system in England, not to mention the maternity services are in such a desperate state.
Submitted By - Guest 30/05/2009 21:51:56 In the time I have been a midwife I have met many women and their partners who have agonised about testing for abnormality. Some have been very clear - they do not want any child that is not 'perfect' and therefore opt for testing in order to have the chance to terminate a disabled child. Others say they would be happy no matter what is wrong with the child and do not opt for testing. The vast majority are crossing their fingers and hoping they don't have to confront the issue. Whether we agree with a woman's choice is irrelevant - as midwives we are not there to live their lives, to make their decisions, to impose our views, to tell them our story. This is not our baby, it is theirs and however much we may disagree with their decision, it is our duty to support them. Women and their partners need clear, up to date facts, time to discuss the issues and make a decision and the knowledge that they will be supported in that decision and not judged whatever it is. Can we do less? 
Submitted By - Guest 13/11/2009 16:56:36 Well, I thank my lucky stars I live and practice in England! Here we have a choice to take part in screening or not. If clients are happy to accept a child with Down's syndrome then obviously they won't want screening tests. However, I find the majority of my women would like to know if their baby was going to be affected. Yes, ultimately this may lead to termination of the pregnancy but this is legal in England and I have no problem with this as it is not my decision to make. Only that family can say what is right for them. I am a midwife, not a moral guardian! 
The screening process is far from perfect but we will introducing better tests at 12 weeks at our unit soon. We are only there to give advice.
Submitted By - Guest 03/08/2009 09:19:55 It is comforting to see that some midwives are really trying to step back and reflect, understanding the power of their statement is immense in empowering any debate. I would just like to say from the view of a nurse and a mother that strangers debating whether or not my actual child should live or die is horrific. Down's syndrome is a learning disability and I believe we all have issues with understanding and learning. Stephen Hawking must think we are all pretty incapable compared to him. Does he live in a world where he wishes all people who didn't go to Cambridge should have been aborted? 
 
One thing I learnt as a nurse is that anyone at any time whether through trauma or disease can become disabled in any way. Would we abort a child if we knew in thirty years time they would have a stroke? If you were that stroke victim and desperately loved your family and accepted your change in circumstances how would you feel if people debated your existence. 
 
I think midwives should support all women, no matter whether the woman aborts that child or not .However I would never wish that I didn't have my child with Down's syndrome, I would never want to change them because that would mean my love of them was conditional on them being 'normal'. I only wish that women would stop wanting everything to be perfect, they will get challenged eventually by something whether it be their own disability or that of another family member. There must be a better way than the ,I don't like it so kill it argument. The perfect life isn't the perfect story.
Submitted By - Genevieve Kingston 23/10/2009 17:28:17 I have found that couples get very different advice/information concerning the triple. Some midwives give info geared towards- it's offered, you fit the criteria, take it kind of approach. This scares me as once you have embarked on the screening process there is't really a way to stop it. 
 
The woman might decide not to have a CVS /amnio if she gets a high risk....then she is left with a high risk and worry for the rest of the pregnancy. 
 
I always discuss the option of taking screening tests from the end to the beginning i.e would you terminate, if yes, then go for screening, if no but you want to know, would you risk the pregnancy with invasive procedures, if she miscarries it could be a healthy baby or a baby with a syndrome, does she want that risk, if yes, then proceed, if no then does she want the triple as it is giving her a risk ratio and not an absolute. 
 
I do think rethinking should happen, I want the reasons screening was introduced in the first place looked into. I don't think it's as altruistic as it seems to be ie 'we're doing this so women and their partners can decide if they wish to continue a pregnancy that is at risk of syndromes.' 
 
I do think there's something inherently wrong in deciding who can live based on disability. Most people think it's abhorrent that the Nazi's 'exterminated' people with disabilities. I don't really see that much difference.
Submitted By - Guest 16/11/2009 10:09:33 I find it somewhat strange that if someone is found to be carrying a baby with a disability, that to prevent pain and distress and/or lack of quality of life for that child, or themselves, they in fact have that baby killed! By very traumatic means, are they informed of the procedure? They should be, if they are meant to be making informed choice. 
 
We live in a throw away society, and people have high expectations of a perfect life - hence if things do not go smoothly, we like to change our circumstance, abortion, divorce etc. 
 
More women have depression and are admitted to hospital with mental problems after an abortion, than women who have post natal depression. And this can last for many years. 
 
I am not trying to condemn these women, I have been there myself and made the wrong decision myself. We need more care for disabled people, they are equal members of society, we need more support for vulnerable pregnant women, we need more community spirit and concern for others. 
 
Sue - Student midwife
Submitted By - Guest 16/11/2009 10:26:20 As a practising midwife I am impartial, professional and fully respect women's choices surrounding screening. 
 
As midwives, it is almost embedded in our ethos during training that choice is a central aspect of modern maternity care, and that it is a positive thing that is to be promoted and offered at every potential point possible. 
 
The Down's syndrome screening programme however clearly demonstrates the dark side of choice. It could be considered unethical to provide women with such difficult and complex choices, and put them & their families through what is in the majority of cases), unnecessary stress and unnecessary risky intervention. Shouldn't pregnancy be an exciting and natural experience for the women in our care? Uncertainty, stress and difficult decisions have unfortunately become characteristic of modern maternity care. I thought we were meant to be steering away from 'medicalisation'? 
 
I do believe that downs syndrome screening contradicts another central aspect of our role as a midwife, 'to advocate & promote normality'. Virtually from the offset during booking, midwives offering screening for abnormality could be perceived as midwives' doubt in a woman's ability to facilitate a normal and healthy pregnancy. A stand-down by midwives from the screening programme would potentially be a great step in escaping the current aspects of our role that could be considered 'medicalised'. This would surely give us greater time to promote and practice midwifery according to OUR agenda (For example generally promote normality, home birth, breastfeeding) If this argument were to be voiced more widely, I believe that midwives could put forward a case for screening to be completely delegated to those whose remit is more concerned with abnormality - obstetricians. 
 
On the other hand the delegation of the screening programme to obstetricians may also be considered unnecessary, as the study highlighted at the beginning of the discussion clearly raises concern surrounding the evidence base for the programme. I am quite shocked and concerned that a practice with such potential weak evidence base has become a focal and expected aspect of antenatal care for women. It is sadly due to screening being quite focal that I think it may have gone too far to be completely abolished until an effective and evidence based method for downs syndrome screening is found. Although as midwives, we do have a voice and should use it more often. Campaign or petition from ourselves for change might just be successful in instigating it..and demonstrate advocacy for the women in our care. 
 
I particularly welcome your opinions surrounding my suggestion that it should not be midwives who are offering screening. It would be great to hear an opinion of someone at the RCM also. 
Submitted By - Guest 19/01/2010 11:31:02 I was that 1:203 age 27. First pregnancy with all the hopes and dreams that that brings. Twelve years on I am still affected by my decision but through the ups and downs of the past 12 years have come to the conclusion it was 'the right choice for me.' And that is what is important here. I don’t have the opportunity to talk about my daughter, as it seems to others that have not had to make the choices that I have made, it is my dirty little secret. 
 
I chose to go to the fetal medical centre in London for testing during my subsequent three pregnancies. I chose there even though I live in the northwest as it had the lowest miscarriage risk rate. So, perhaps better training for those carrying out invasive testing will reduce miscarriage rates. All three pregnancies had high-risk rates, 1:80, 1:39, 1:9, yet all those were healthy.  So if you are that one then the number that follows is irrelevant. I know how hard it is to be a mother of three healthy children, although I have been through the mill with all of them having cleft palates and sticklers syndrome. 
 
I am starting the midwifery direct entry degree in Sept. I hope that I will be able to allow women to make their own choices about testing and results. My choice was mine only and the next women might be stronger and more able to cope with a disability than I was. Women tend to have the biggest childcare role within the family and so their whole social and welfare needs are to be considered. 
 
So, please don’t judge us, and understand that a risk is a risk; exactly that and you make your choices and live forever with the consequences. 
Submitted By - Guest 19/04/2010 17:05:48 In response to the guest responding in Nov 2009, I was interested in his/her views on promoting 'normality' in midwifery. In a way he/she saying that they do not want to care for those with an 'abnormal' pregnancy? I think that midwives who cut themselves off from and attack obstetricians should think about how lucky we are to have a health care system that will give women choices, provide safe care including caesarians in emergency. In some parts of the world many women still die in pregnancy and labour without adequate medical support.
Submitted By - Guest 21/05/2010 09:40:10 My issue as a midwife is due to the inequality of the screening offered to women in my area.  One hospital offers early 1st trimester screening and the other two only offer 2nd trimester screening on the NHS. Women who can afford to pay can have early trimester private BUPA screening for £200.  Where is the equality in this system where it is a postcode lottery? 
 
I have recently moved and it was not a problem for me as a midwife.  My last area has been offering early first trimester screening for some years!! I was a little shocked to say the least when I move, to find women were only being offered 2nd trimester screening.   
 
As a health professional what do I tell women when they come to a booking clinic?  When asking the question, where do you want to have your baby, do I ask have you considered whether you would like to have early screening? If so X is the hospital of choice for you, or do I leave them in ignorance of their choices with regards to the screening options, offering only what the hospital offer? What happens if they have 16 week screening and make the decision to have a late diagnostic test, i.e. amniocentesis or a late abortion at 20 weeks due to the areas health authorities’ failure to offer early first trimester screening? 
 
Screening is a very emotive subject, it leaves women with what I consider to be a difficult choice. When inequality of service due to the postcode lottery leaves them with such inequality of choice, it makes my position untenable as a midwife. I feel that the choices of the screening programs offered by the respective hospitals should be given to them before they book their care with the respective Trust area health authority. However I am employed by one of the Trusts that does not offer the early screening.  My manager does not concur with this view. 
 
Perhaps the RCM would like to comment!?